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Short Sale v Short Payoff…What’s the Difference?

In an earlier post, Short Sale v Foreclosure, we saw the difference between a short sale and a foreclosure, but there is another option for a distressed  homeowner. This is the Short Payoff. This option makes sense only under special circumstances.

What’s the difference between Short Sale v Short Payoff?

In our current real estate environment, short sales are becoming more common. A short sale occurs when  the lender or investor agrees to accept an amount less than actually owed on the property. The lender sells the property “short.” In this case, it’s up to the homeowner, usually using a real estate agent, to market and sell the property. The new buyer usually gets a bargain. The previous homeowner gets out from under an unmanageable mortgage by giving up the house.

In order to qualify for a short sale, generally speaking, the homeowner must demonstrate a verifiable long-term hardship rendering him unable to pay the mortgage. These days,  many homeowners, especially those who bought within the last several years or those who refinanced and took big chunks of equity out of their properties, becoming “upside down” in their home loans or owing more than the home is worth. Now, more and more often, these homeowners are also doing short sales.

So far, this doesn’t sound like such a bad deal. The house I bought loses value, so I sell it at current market rates and the lender takes the loss. Well, true, but the homeowner no longer has a home. And, the former homeowner will probably be a renter for several years to come as his credit report’s FICO score will immediately drop by about 300 points. The newest loan guidelines from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac specify that after a short sale, a prospective borrower must wait for 2 years to qualify for any  FHA- or government-backed loan.

So, what’s the alternative that will NOT damage credit to such a degree?

That option is called a Short Payoff. It also carries some tough restrictions. If the homeowner is upside down by a smallish amount, say $10,000 to $50,000, depending on his  financial perspective, he might try to negotiate a short payoff with his lender.  In this scenario, the lender agrees to release the lien, his interest in the property, allowing it to be  “conveyed” or sold to a new owner.  The lender agrees to accept less than the amount owed on the property to release the lien, thus “short payoff,”   However,  in return, the former homeowner signs a promissory note for the difference or some of the difference agreeing to “pay off ” this unsecured line of credit according to the terms of the note.

To do a Short Payoff, the mortgage must be  current, the borrower must have  great credit, and must demonstrate the ability to pay off the debt.  The upside of this situation? The former homeowner keeps his great credit and can purchase another home or anything else he desires.

When is a  Short Payoff appropriate? A homeowner might  request a short payoff when the home has lost value dramatically or even just enough to make it impossible to sell, and he does  not have the ability to pay the large amount to get completely out of the property.

Not all lenders will allow for a Short Payoff; however,  you will never know if you never ask.
Of course, the advantages of short Pay-offs are the borrower are able to move out of the property and get on with his life, there SHOULD receive no negative feedback on the former homeowner’s  credit.

If for some  reason down the line, the borrower’s  ability to pay changes and cannot pay on the note, the credit ramifications are significantly smaller.

For further clarification of the entire short sale, foreclosure and short payoff differences, I have just posted an E-Book, Should I Short Sale My Home or How To Survive the Worst Real Estate Market in History, available as a free download, on my website. Plus, it appears in Links to the right of this post.

July 15, 2008 - Posted by drdbroker | FHA loans, Los Angeles County real estate, San Gabriel Valley real estate, Southern California real estate, foreclosure, home selling, mortgage crisis, real estate, real estate, SoCal real estate, short sale, subprime crisis | , , , , , , , , , , , | 24 Comments

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  1. I have a borrower that I would like to get a short payoff from AHMS…SHe owes 560K and with prepayment penalty and deferred interest from the first year she let it negatvely amortize, the payoff refi amount would be 610,000. The property was appraised @500K..SHe is full doc, excellent income and assets..recently divorced, She is Dr. and wants to see if I can get AHMS to accept a short payoff and allow her to refinance with an FHA loan on the 500K..They would have to eat 590K, assuming they would not even look at the prepayment penalty..Does anyone have a clue if this will be accepted..wants to stay in home, but right now is not worth it..She is in adj, and the monthly is becomng a noose around her neck..Credit score is great no lates and income is very good. What ya think

    Comment by lori Marotta | June 9, 2009 | Reply

    • n response to your question, I have no way of knowing if any bank would accept a short pay. The only way to find out is to ask.
      Most likely you would approach the bank with a variety of options, such as loan mod or short sale and settle on a short payoff. If your client has good income and good credit, is capable of paying her current mortgage and is current, many banks would not look at her situation. They are inundated with borrowers who have none of the above.
      To effectuate any of the options, your client will have to present a complete financial picture with 2 years tax returns, bank statements, pay stubs, the whole nine yards.
      Also, remember short sales finished this year incur no tax for debt forgiveness. A short pay, on the other hand, would be a “taxable event” for all the debt forgiven…in this case $110K or thereabouts..

      Comment by drdbroker | June 9, 2009 | Reply

  2. I live in South Florida condo for 5 years. I bought it in 2004 when I was able to pay mortgage working as RE assosiate and Mortgage broker. Right now I am legaly blind and on disability since 2008. I applyed for short sale. The lender, American Home Mortgage, has approved short sale and reduced my mortgage from 800K to 669K, but even under this reduction I can not sale my condo. I would like to stay in my home with the family and get settlement (short pay off from my lender),What would you recommend to do in my case?

    Regards,
    Robert: 305-319-9804

    Comment by robert | May 6, 2009 | Reply

    • I’ll give you a call as you haven’t given me enough information. :)

      Comment by drdbroker | May 7, 2009 | Reply

  3. A broker I’m working with is currently negotiating a short payoff with my lender (I plan to stay in the home). My biggest concern is that I don’t want it to affect my credit. Based on the info posted, a short payoff SHOULD not affect my credit. How can I ensure that it will not affect my credit? Lastly, I wasn’t advised that a promissory note on the difference would be owed. Am I missing something here?

    Comment by Cynthia | April 19, 2009 | Reply

    • Every situation is different, so I can’t comment on your particular one. If short payoff is proceeded by not paying the mortgage on time, then, of course it will affect your credit.
      It’s also normal for lenders to demand promissory notes usually at very low rates, minimal payment schedules for any number of years….In a short payoff, the borrower is asking
      the bank to just forget about a large portion of the balance owed while the borrower keeps the house. Obviously, banks don’t want to do that nor would any creditor. The idea
      is maybe in the future the borrower could pay the contracted amount.

      Comment by drdbroker | April 19, 2009 | Reply

      • My credit is good. I’ve paid my mortgage on time (never late). I wanted to refi to lower my interest rate to reduce my monthly mortgage payment. A mortgage broker proposed a short payoff. Not sure if this is the best route to take…

        Comment by Cynthia | April 19, 2009

  4. wachovia keeps telling me next week next week etc before they will have a loan mod for me seeing that im never late are they just stringing me along my realiter tells me to stop making payments before they will help me is she right?

    Comment by gilbert | April 10, 2009 | Reply

    • Not knowing all the details of your situation, of course, I cannot say for sure. Until last month when Obama’s plan came out, banks would not consider anyone who was not at least 30 and more likely 60 days late for a loan mod. Obama’s plan recognized that help earlier might produce better results, so it specifically states that borrowers may be current and still get a loan mod. Maybe in practice this still isn’t working out, If you do miss payments, you credit will take a huge blow..

      Comment by drdbroker | April 10, 2009 | Reply

  5. I was contacted about doing a short pay off. I had to do a modification on my home to not loose it and lowered my payment for 5 years and than it goes back to the original arm. Will I loose my home on a short pay off? I don’t want to sell my home or move. I just don’t trust the banks any more. Any information would be helpful.

    Comment by Lori Eskew | April 1, 2009 | Reply

  6. check if first franklin is allowing to subordinate the new fha loan

    Comment by Anonymous | January 14, 2009 | Reply

  7. I am doing a short refill with Select Portfolio Servicing and First Franklin original purchase price of my house was $300.000, Loan with SPS is $240.000 and FF is $60.000. However SPS approve me to refill for $218.000 I am having a very difficult time with FF to approve me for the short refill. My question is what should I do? What step should I take? (Short refill allow you refinance your property at the current value)

    Comment by Adeline | December 22, 2008 | Reply

  8. Can I have my second mortgage note purchased at a discount and not refinance my first mortgage?

    Comment by caligirl | December 19, 2008 | Reply

    • Refinancing or having your second mortgage purchased at a discount both depend heavily on one element: the equity you have in the property.
      If you have a lot of equity, someone might buy it. If not, then not…

      Comment by drdbroker | December 20, 2008 | Reply

  9. IS COUNTRYWIDE ACCEPTING TO GIVE US A SHORT PAYOFF FOR A NEW REFINANCE FOR WHAT THE PROPERTY IS WORTH.

    Comment by MARIA | December 5, 2008 | Reply

    • I don’t know. I would have to look into your situation. Call me at 626-641-0346.

      Comment by drdbroker | December 5, 2008 | Reply

  10. Yes, most of the banks I’ve worked with or heard about want at least one offer with the package.

    Comment by drdbroker | October 9, 2008 | Reply

  11. Regarding comment #2, Did you have to submit a offer with shortsale package with Countrywide?

    Comment by Charisse | October 9, 2008 | Reply

  12. [...] However, there is one catch:  Lenders and existing lien holders need to agree to take a loss on these loans by writing down the balances due.  Why would they do this?  Because in many cases, a short payoff is better than foreclosing on the loan. [...]

    Pingback by New Hope for Those in Trouble? | Mortgages Unzipped | October 3, 2008 | Reply

  13. That’s interesting, Emily. I knew banks were modifying loans, sometimes drastically, usually slightly, but I had not been aware banks would refi at current market value. How much difference is there between your current market value and your mortgage? How much of that is the bank requiring that you pay?

    Comment by drdbroker | September 21, 2008 | Reply

  14. I Just read your article on a Short -pay-off….It seemed incorrect…We are involved in a short pay-off negotiation and it is to refinance our home at current market value and continue to live in our home…

    Comment by Emily S. | September 20, 2008 | Reply

  15. That depends on the bank, too. I am doing one now with Countrywide–6 weeks and we have verbal approval. I really wonder what will happen with IndyMac properties…

    Comment by drdbroker | July 16, 2008 | Reply

  16. It would be great if these short sale deals didn’t have to be soooo long!

    Comment by Susan | July 16, 2008 | Reply

  17. Sometimes this route is called a short refi. At this point, you can get a refi for today’s low rates if you can qualify [income, credit] and if the refi sought does not exceed 105%
    of value of your home. That would fall under Obama’s plan. But, as mentioned above, every case is different. Complications ensure if your home has lost too much value to
    fit the Obama parameter, if you have a second mortgage whose lender may or may not agree to this or a HELOC. It also depends on the state, whether it’s a primary residence
    and whether this is a purchase loan…

    Comment by drdbroker | April 19, 2009 | Reply


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